ISRAEL’S IMMORAL WAR

This editorial is the view of  Contributing  DW Correspondend, Leonard Carrier, and it absolutely and totally represents the position of the DW’s Foreign-Policy Editor,  Dusty Schoch.

Former intelligence official Yossi Alpher recently claimed that Israel’s ferocious assault on Lebanon was “disproportionate to the incident, but proportionate to the threat.” This is the argument most commonly used by Israel’s apologists, including our own Bob Shieffer on national TV (“Face the Nation,” July 16), who vigorously supported Israel’s right to “defend itself” against a senseless “provocation” by Hamas and Hezbollah. This tactic is reminiscent of Israel’s claim in 1967 that their attack on Egypt “pre-empted” an imminent Egyptian attack on them. Whether or not Egypt really planned such an attack is still murky. But the consensus is that pre-emption can be considered a legitimate species of self-defense. But the key to any claim of pre-emption is imminence. This was the element that perhaps justified Israel’s attack on Egypt in 1967, but was missing in the United States’ invasion of Iraq in 2003. This made the invasion of Iraq a preventive war, not one of pre-emption. Since Hezbollah was not about to invade Israel, this also makes Israel’s war a preventive war. The difference between pre-emption and prevention is often glossed over, but it is important. With pre-emption, one has to be reasonably certain that another nation, or group, is on the verge of mounting its own attack. With prevention, an attack is made because of the possibility that, some day down the road, a nation or group will destroy you.

Perhaps not all preventive wars are immoral. But some certainly are. In 1941 the Japanese initiated a preventive war on the United States. They did it to neutralize the U.S. navy so that they could preserve military and economic hegemony in the Pacific and the Far East. The United States was building B-17 bombers that could someday threaten that hegemony by bombing Japanese cities. So the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. If you think, as I do, that launching this preventive war was immoral, then you must universalize and think that all such wars conducted for economic and political reasons are immoral. Hitler claimed self-defense when he launched his attack on Poland in 1939. He claimed he did it to gain lebensraum and to prevent the possibility of France and England taking military action against Germany and destroying the German economy. But this was also an immoral, preventive attack, initiated purely for economic purposes and for the gaining of land.

I believe that the U.S. attack on Iraq was an immoral preventive war. It was initiated to control Iraq’s oil and to leave a “footprint” in the Middle East. It was waged on the possibility that Middle East oil would some day be used as a strategic weapon against us. It was waged for economic reasons. Apologists for the American attack on Iraq would resist generalization from other cases. They would make an exception for a nation whose intent is to promote democracy, free markets, economic development, and human rights; whereas, other nations are bound by rules that rightly bind non-superpowers. The problems with this exceptionalist defense of America’s right to might are several. First, it’s dubious whether free markets promote democracy and human rights. Second, genuine democracies might be hostile to free markets and prefer nationalization to global trade. Finally, it is unclear how waging a destructive war will bring any of the good things intended to fruition. In Iraq, all we’ve seen from our preventive war is a widening of the violence.

How does this pertain to Israel’s preventive war on Hezbollah and Hamas? Clearly, neither of these organizations offers any physical threat to Israel—certainly not of the same magnitude as the threat Israel offers to them. If Hezbollah or Hamas felt threatened by the possible extinction of their Lebanese or Palestinian citizens, either by death or subjugation, would we sanction an attack by them on Israel (say, with nuclear weapons that they had obtained from Iran)? My answer would be, no, and that such an attack on Israel would be immoral. If we generalize on this, then Israel’s attack on Southern Lebanon is also immoral. If the Israelis say, as they have, that they must clear Southern Lebanon of Hezbollah militants, then their war is being fought for the same reasons that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Germans invaded Poland. They need the extra land for their own protection. If we think that the Japanese and Germans waged immoral wars, then the same must be said for Israel.

The only way I see for Israeli defenders to respond is to make an exceptionalist claim, in the manner that the United States government attempts to do for Iraq. They actually do this by pointing out that they are the only democratic state in the Middle East (save for Lebanon, whose democracy is now in tatters), and that the Arabs surrounding them are uncultured fanatics who are stuck in the middle ages. Bernard Lewis has been making this claim for 50 years, and has been deflecting all criticism of Israel’s policies as being “anti-Semitic,” forgetting to mention that Arabs are Semites, too. Even if we ignore the implicit racism involved, I don’t see any moral force in this exceptionalist claim. Israel is not a superpower, despite possessing nuclear weapons, and it clearly does not want the same democracy enjoyed by Israelis to be enjoyed by Palestinians, as we have witnessed with its treatment of Hamas. Despite the fiery rhetoric, there is no solid evidence that any Arab leader ever threatened to eliminate the state of Israel. All the Arabs and Palestinians have been asking for, through several peace initiatives up to the Oslo accords, has been a fair distribution of land—land that Israel apparently does not want to relinquish. In fact, the land that Israel is now clearing in Southern Lebanon, up to the Litani River, has been sought by Israel for some time. It was Ben-Gurion’s dream to have that as Israel’s northern border, but up until now it could not be done. My conclusion is that Israel’s preventive war is being fought for economic and political reasons and for more land, not really for self-defense; and therefore, like the U.S.war in Iraq, it is an immoral war.

*(Dr. Leonard Carrier received his B.A. and M.A. from the University of Miami in ’56 and ’58, respectively, and his Ph.D from Stanford in 1967.  He taught at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia and the University of South Florida (Tampa) before spending the rest of his teaching and research career (29 years until 2000) at the University of Miami. )

Description: I am Robert R. (“Dusty”) Schoch, an attorney/writer and environmentalist. I was headed to New York on 9/11 for a meeting with Milton Bradley. We were scheduled to meet and conference with them that day down town, and we were thus scheduled unknowingly to be in harm’s way, big time. Luckily, driving up, we heard the news before we got to the Tunnel, and got no closer than a distant view of the smoke. My wife, Marilyn and I, simultaneously mourned the event and celebrated our lucky deliverance. My reaction stayed mainly “shock and awe” until a few days later when I listened to President Bush’s plans to respond to the terrorist attack. His response, and our Congress’ endorsement of it frightend me far more than bin Laden’s bombers. It frightened me so much I recorded my thoughts in reaction to the events and e-mailed the attached letter, entitled “Stand Behind Me” to every person I know. I now share it with you. It is not a popular view. At the firt of the letter I make reference to Michael Moore and his open letter to Americans urging us all to take the responsibility we should for our part in causing the 9/11 wake-up call. I don’t endorse everything Moore declared, but my letter is a comprehensive summary of my personal sense of responsibility, as an American, for 9/11 and the anti-American sentiment which spawned it. The letter will speak the rest for itself.

Date of e-mail: About a week after 9/11.

Subject line of e-mail: Stand Behind Me, America, and Take Responsibility

Terrorism: Inheriting the Winds
Assigning Blame for the Attack on America on America*

The Plaintive Rantings of a Southern American Writer/Lawyer/
Environmentalist

(*not a misprint)

Let’s not forget that while the patriotic old men of Congress are getting “involved ” in their jingoistic process of calculating the strategy and cost of declaring and waging war, it’s our sons and daughters , our committed warriors, who’ll be paying the price. Our soldiers are like the bacon in Jr. Johnson’s (race car driver) terse parable on the difference between “involved” and “committed”: He was having breakfast one morning with a friend (Bill France) who was trying to persuade Junior to keep racing , but Junior had gotten to the stage where age and discretion were overtaking his hunger for valor and fame and said: “For instance, you’re eating bacon and eggs this morning. Think about this: That chicken was involved, but that hog was committed. I’m involved in racing , but I’m not committed.” I’ve always suspected that if the ones who declared the wars were bound to wage them, there’d be substantially fewer wars.

I’m not, mind you, suggesting we shouldn’t go for the head(s) of the terrorist snake(s) -whoever they are – and separate them from their bodies with all musterable haste. Not having done so in the case of Saddam Hussein may well account for why we are in the situation we find ourselves today. I am suggesting , however, that those involved in the declaration of war should first (1) study and decide (understand) both how and why we were attacked, not just by whom, (2) determine the best way to establish peace and not simply win a fight or destroy an enemy, (3) decide how best to accomplish (2) with minimal risk to our committed warriors , and (4) accomplish (1) through (3) with deliberation , discretion and, where called-for , stealth ( without telling CNN in advance every detail in our attack stratagem ) and without bankrupting our already teetering economy.

Yes – we are, in the larger picture, as Michael Moore (TV’s “Roger & Me”, in a widely-circulated ” e-article”) and others have suggested , responsible for what has happened. I can abhor, deplore and dream of launching vengeful war against the “doers” of the disastrous deeds and still confess that I’m in part, a very substantial part, responsible. Moore cites some of the reasons. We are in a sense inheriting the winds of wars we’ve allowed our politicians to wage on our collective behalf. The Arab terrorists are as berserk as they are hypocritical … sure; there’s never been a “true” religion preaching war, at least one sanctioning the slaughter of innocent and non-military people. But . . . just how true is what I just said? You may have bought it for a moment, but just look at the current edition of the Old Testament – the archive of our moral history and our modern morality. It’s the foundation of the Zionist conviction that there are in fact good enough reasons to wage wars of holy conversion and acquisition. Does capital-g God really have “chosen ones”? And, are they (the chosen ones) really just a few of us? Both the Muslim Koran and Judeo/Christian Bible say yes, yes.

The Arabs are righteously enraged over America’s being allied with the religious group (The Nation of Israel) with whom they have been feuding since Abraham’s progeny split similarly-semitic siblings into warring tribes. Stop just for a minute and think about walking a mile in their sandals – What if Mexicans all of a sudden declared they were going to retake and migrate into Texas because their god had told them it was their promised land and they should never have given it up.(Yeah, I know it looks like that’s already happening, but stay with me here…) And what if, while you and I are down there defending the land of the Alamo with our six-guns and bowie knives, a flock of Apache-type attack helicopters armed with smart rockets and Vulcan machine guns appears out of nowhere and rips us and our bowie knives to smithereens? And suppose further that we discover that these helicopters were given to the Mexicans by their allies, the Nation of Columbia, and we call up Columbia and ask them for some helicopters and they say “sorry, we no understand Ingles…”. How long would we tolerate having the Mexicans ripping us apart with the Columbian war machines before we decide to pay the Columbians a little visit? George W is presently hinting that he’s going to declare war against Afghanistan if it turns out they harbored Bin Laden – that is gave him a place to sleep and maybe preach to those future pilots of America. What would George W be threatening to do if it turned out Afghanistan gave Bin Laden the planes he used to take out the New York towers? Now take a second look at the way some Palestinians look at us.

How zealous a warrior would the U.S. have been in our “desert storm” if that storm had not put our oil supplies in harm’s way? Answer that while considering all the post-soviet Euro-Asian conflicts (and here we’re talking atrocities and wars of ethnic extinction) we have either stayed the hell away from or insulated ourselves from via our comfortable nest in NATO.

No, I’m not saying the U.S. should be punished or that any one or nation has the right to attack any one of us. I’m simply saying the West, to the rest of a backward and impoverished world – especially those countries Moore mentioned (Chile, Vietnam, Gaza, Salvador , etc.) is damned ugly. I think Moore’s cannons were a little loose with his juxtaposing the Twin Towers’ toppling with Bush’s recent bull-in-the-china-shop blunders abroad regarding Kyoto, nuclear defense, etc . . . as it’s more than obvious that the terrorists’ plans to infarct America’s heart ante-dated Bush’s idiotic actions by long months (or years).

No – Bush (I wince to concede) is not to blame for New York’s suffering. America itself, in significant part, is. We more than any other nation are responsible for the big picture problems of global warming , with our coal-powered industry and our wasteful , power-hungry society ; by our driving our gas-guzzling SUV’s to the polls to vote for any cretin who’ll guarantee us that, to keep those SUV’s and AC’s roaring, he’ll sacrifice our last sacred frontiers of natural life – and anything else, albeit Communist or Arab, that stands in the way of our manifest , capitalistic destiny.

If we (simply and no more) follow the second Bush crusade into the desert to ferret out and destroy the enemy, and call the job done when we get Afghanistan to spit up Bin Laden, then we’ll learn the French history lesson – “Plus ca change, plus la meme chose ” … (What goes around keeps coming around). The big – B I G PICTURE history is painting for us now is one of near perfect symmetry (I did not say “justice” or “Morality”). Our 911 event was, in effect, one of the end results of our own reckless and heedless consumption and environmental exploitation – rearing up, coming around and biting us on our back side (or rather piercing our heart – the “ground zero” of our capitalistic core).

DC is only nominally our capitol. Our true capitol is Capital and the corporations that have made it and the power it wields the polar star of the guidance system for space ship earth. The ironies are staggering – and sobering. We are allies of Israel because we need a stronghold and point for military maneuvering in the Middle East to insure our continued control and ability to continue our course of killing our ecosystem through recklessly burning the earth’s fossil fuels – that energy from the sun, stored magically in those glistening benzene rings in the exchanging of which our nation and those of the middle east remain perpetually , if lovelessly engaged. And we need their (Israel’s) military intelligence and infrastructure for contingencies like desert storm and whatever George W is in the process of presently pursuing.

And now come these maniacal messengers – these un-wise men from the East. Did they come to us atop Arabian stallions? Hardly. They came aboard our own ships, with Trojan stealth- each ship laden with 16,000 gallons of fossil fuel, drilled and pumped by our diamond-studded machines and steely inventiveness from the heart of the planet we are poisoning by piercing the spleen of its own body.

This same fossil fuel, with a relatively modest assist from some relatively mediocre middle-eastern minds, was injected and ignited ironically in the soft belly of the animal who effectively unearthed it and set it at large.

The irony of the ultimate utilization of fossil fuel to destroy the prime headquarters of the capitalist machine that engineered (through financing) its extraction and refinement is surpassed only by a collateral ecological irony and symmetry of mythical proportions. Environmentalists and perhaps all informed and intelligent observers of western society, especially American, would agree that the most damaging dual manifestation of our ecologically aberrant behavior is one enabled by our fossil-fuel industry – urban hypertrophy and sprawl. We centralize and concentrate our business and industry in areas which become so crowded from greedy over development that “skyscraping” mega-structures are the only remedies available (excluding long-extinct human self-restraint).

We concentrate so much population and machination in urban areas that the resulting compression and waste production make living in the places we work impossibly expensive, unhealthy and aesthetically abhorrent. So New Yorkers build two twin towers 1300 feet high to house the offices of 45,000 people, who after work, get in their SUV’s and trains and commute an average of 60 miles each way, converting in their “progress” a quarter million gallons of fuel a day into sky-smogging, lung clogging, acid-rain-making, and globe-warning greenhouse gas.

Urban sprawl – living in “the burbs” is American society’s fondest dream. And the environment’s worst nightmare. Architecturally , there may have been nothing more perfect in form and function than Manhattan’s twin towers. Ecologically there could be nothing uglier and more universally malignant than these daggers in the sky. Was the parable in Genesis 11 simply mythical , or was it perhaps prophetic? Of course there is more than a language gap dividing the people who occupied and those who destroyed the World Trade Center, but a gap in understanding and communications there certainly was, and remains between the radical Muslims and us western “infidels”.

Wasn’t the 911 event a little like the tale of Babel’s brazen tower? If there is, and I hope and pray it’s so, a kinship – if not identity – between creation (nature) and creator (God), then how could that creator not be as appalled at the arrogance and excessiveness of our late great towers as the God of the Old Testament was with the heavenly-heeped bricks of the Babylonians?

If a giant alien, with super-sensitive hearing had placed his titanic ear to the wall outside , say, 16 or so floors of either twin tower, with all the business and financial and cyber chatter of the computers and cell phones going on inside, would he have described the noise as anything but “babble” (that’s the origin of the word by the way)?

Do we understand anything about Osama Bin Laden? Do he or his followers know or understand anything about the people in the skyscrapers? In the Old Testament story, the Lord just came down and scattered the people in the building to different parts of the world, since they no longer spoke the same language. Both we and the Arab terrorists have had access to the same story, but we didn’t heed it. We all had e-mail, cell phones and FedEx to communicate with one other, but we were too busy . . . tending to business. Scattering the people apparently didn’t fix things in the wake of Babel’s story, so this time, they scattered the building.

The remarkable irony and symmetry of these events are in the choice of buildings. What all agree was the single most malevolent and heinous act of terrorism in the history of human kind (unless it was Hiroshima) amounts to the most efficacious and expeditious act of environmental remediation yet accomplished in America. I realize how quickly most would describe this observation as cruel and callous. I view it nonetheless as positive and hopeful. New York can’t unfortunately raise her fallen from the dead, but the City does have an opportunity now to change directions., to evolve.

History Lessons

(And for those WW II patriots who would scream “foul” at my passing mention of Hiroshima in the context of debating the fallout of terrorism, let me pause in passing that that venue on the way over Nagasaki towards NY and DC and mention some fairly embarrassing undeniable realities. The American patriots would contend that our dropping the holocaust bombs on Japanese civilian populations was an act morally calculated to save lives, by ending the war in the Pacific , which the Japanese were to stubborn to concede. Well, I concede some of the logic (if not the sentiment) in that line of rhetoric defending our offensive war conduct and ethics. What I would point out after that concession however is the hypocrisy in our presently “righteous rage”. The Arabs (mostly Muslim) have been at war with Israel (90 percent Hebrew) for a half century, and we have been Israel’s allies in that war for decades, and it doesn’t help the Arabs in their attitude toward us to hear that the U.S. Congress hasn’t formally declared war on the Arabs.

And while we are praising ourselves defensively for being Israel’s friends, loyal to them ’til the end in their struggle against their savage oppressors, let’s take a second look there and apply the litmus strip for hypocritical national narcissism. America comes up hot pink. Israel is the national theocratic state of the Jews. These are the same people we watched in the late 30′s and early 40′s being politically oppressed , ultimately kidnapped and systematically murdered in Europe and Russia in numbers that 8 digits can scarcely embrace. Where were we then with our abiding love for and alliance with the Jewish people? No – we didn’t declare our staunch support for the Jewish people until they fled from Europe to the desert and we found their Zionist dream coinciding with our capitalistic one . . which I suggest would never have occurred until the Jews set up an independent state in the midst of the Arabs who control an estimated 35 Percent of the globe’s oil reserves (our virtual life’s blood). As a personal anecdotal exclamation point to end this paragraph , I’ll recall for your benefit the fact that in 1948, the year Israel declared its independent statehood, I was living in a typical American town with a population of about 60,000 (mainly Christian) souls. The town had one country club. Jews weren’t allowed.

The Arabs know we are on Israel’s side, know we furnish them deadly arms and cutting-edge military expertise and know we collaborate with them in their cause (is this starting to sound a little like Bush’s caveat to Afghanistan about those “supporting”, “harboring” or “giving aid” to our terrorist enemies being our enemies?).
So far in the middle eastern war, how many Arabs do we suppose have been killed with American military planes and other weapons? I’m no authority (at this point) but I’d wager it’s a multiple of 6000. And for historic boot, the number of Japanese civilians who ultimately died in the original “ground(s) zero” and in their ten-year wake is in excess of 600,000 souls. That’s about 100 times our recent casualties combining air passengers and tenants of our Twin Towers and Pentagon.

And for one final irony, wasn’t it amazingly naïve for New Yorkers and the American media to have adopted as their badge of red courage the moniker the American Eagle left (“ground zero”) to mark the spot it laid down the nuclear neonates it fondly named “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”? In that analogy, making New York “ground zero” likens us to Imperial Japan, and our terrorists to . . . (you got it) us. Wake up , America and smell the napalm. Where have all the flowers gone?

Before you answer, take this pop quiz (sorry, no million -dollar prize offered … only our lives depend on our ability to answer): How many wars have been fought over Palestine in the past 50 years? How many middle eastern countries have attacked and been attacked by Israel in that time? What country built the bomber and manufactured the bombs used by Israel when it unilaterally bombed Iraq over 20 years ago (remember, Saddam, Bagdad, desert storm and all that “Defense of Kuwait” thing we did a while back ?) to prevent them from building a nuclear power plant ? What’s the main religion of Kuwait now? Howabout Iraq? What would happen to America if our supply of mideastern oil was cut off? What would Americans have to do to end our dependency on Arab oil? Would Americans be willing to do any of those things? If we’d never become dependent on Arab oil, would 6,000 more Americans be living today? What are the differences in the teachings of Muhammad (the 600AD born prophet in the religion of Islam) and those of Jesus Christ? Is there any significant difference in the stories and lessons taught in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian people and those taught in the Muslim’s Koran? How many Americans could pass (with a score of 50 percent) this quiz? Two (2) percent? Maybe. I’ll tell you what the Average American knows about these issues and our Islamic enemies: babble babble babble When will (we) ever learn?)

The World Trade Center for the most part today was archaic, even though the structure was only 29 years old. Computers and wireless communications have long ago enabled industry and business in general to decentralize, re-integrate and coordinate their collective activities in cyberspace. Contiguous walls and halls with paper trays and trails aren’t all that essential these days. Business must have some reception and conference rooms where physical objects and personalities can be touched and mingled. But the clocked-in , nine-to-five grind for all workers is just a vestigial habit in the cases of most corporate functioning, and the progressive and avante guarde are already paying their computer-equipped agents and employees to leave their SUV’s in the garage awaiting the vacations they can now take . . . back in the big and exciting city, whose sun, moon and view of heaven need no longer be eclipsed by a row of megastructures. They do their working at home, where they can breathe the fresh air that millions of similarly-enlightened citizens didn’t pollute with commuting to their employer’s urban centers.

Every machine we have created which had a purpose or tendency to exploit either the environment or the more humble creatures we share it with has wound up being turned in our direction. Russia, Red China, Pakistan and India, and probably a dozen more of our potential enemies have our E=MC sq’d creations in their arsenals. They’re working on delivery systems as I write. Think of what we’d be facing today if it had occurred to Bin Laden to have his kamikazies carry briefcase nukes aboard our four luxury airlines instead of plastic knives. Are we going to restrict our remedial plans to hunting down all terrorists and destroying them by preemptive strike? We don’t have that many C.I. Agents, and the A’s we have apparently don’t have that much I.

So, now I’ve joined Michael Moore and had my little purge. It’s been a rant I’ve needed to purge since the Arabs aborted my recent N.Y. trip (I had an appointment Wednesday, and was headed up there Tuesday morning when hell broke loose). Guess Allah spared me so I could burden other infidels with my own post-traumatic dis-ease.

In closing, let me urge us all, while we’re cheering George W and the C.I.A. on in their pursuit of the dread desert rats who converted our planes into guided missiles , and while we’re out there standing behind George W. who’s out there standing behind Colin P.and Norman S., who are out there standing behind our children who are out there standing behind the tanks, missiles and smart bombs that will be killing the people who stood behind the ones who killed us with those planes, we need to remember : (1) They were our planes. (2) Each one of them (hundreds of times a day) was toting, and burning 16,000 gallons of 200 million-year-old vegetable oil we purloined from Arabian earth to feed our ugly addiction to forty-fold the world-average quanta of consumption and creature comforts. (3) The Arabs, these terrorists, quite rationally think and righteously feel that we and they have been at war since we became openly allied with Israel, which is openly at war with them (most of the time). Accordingly, they feel just as morally justified in bombing us in New York as we felt justified in bombing Japan in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. By our President’s own 911 proclamation, those who aide and abet our enemies are at war with us. (4) Behind the heroics of great warriors there is apt to be great love – of country, family, freedom and self. Behind the mask of the suicidal terrorist there is apt to be great suffering. (There’s also, I’ve recently heard, the promise that Muslim suicide/martyr-warriors get to take the people they kill (all of them) into the next world as their personal slaves – this for those of you who, as I, have wondered how terrorists incentivize Arab youth to attend flight school abroad for a year when for graduation they get a one-way ticket to oblivion. Turns out it ain’t oblivion – it’s more like Club Med al la Allah.) But the point is, the ones who killed us were not cowards, but rather a few among many zealots all willing to pay the ultimate price for their cause, all of which shows that (5) We Americans have a lot to learn about the rest of the world and its suffering – especially the suffering we may have a hand in, and finally (6) While we’re seeking and setting out to destroy the ones who carved the course of history culminating in the events of 9/11/01, we had better be prepared to spy among these villains ourselves.

Of course, this is just an opinion, and just like Michael Moore and Dennis Miller, I could be wrong. But while there a scintilla of a chance I’m right , and while George W is out there searching for the road to what he’s blithely hailing as “the first war of the Twenty-first Century” (is he promising us more?) , I’m going to be out there searching for a road less traveled. So, now, as we’re treading in the darkness down the roads of our respective and collective choices in search of fugitive Peace, I invite – and beseech you – stand behind me , your friend,

Dusty (Robert R. Schoch, Attorney/Writer/Environmentalist,
607 Overbrook Drive, High Point N.C. 27262